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Content preview: Hi, get confused intern-soft return a symbol which already unbound, Here are the lines to make a symbol then makunbound the symbol, but after that the intern-soft still return the symbol: (setq a-test-variable-unbound-later t) Content analysis details: (1.2 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.2 FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT Envelope-from freemail username ends in digit (sunlin7[at]hotmail.com) 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (sunlin7[at]hotmail.com) -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record 0.9 SPF_FAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (fail) [SPF failed: Please see http://www.openspf.org/Why?s=mfrom;id=sunlin7%40hotmail.com;ip=2001%3A470%3A142%3A%3A17;r=debbugs.gnu.org] -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [2001:470:142:0:0:0:0:17 listed in] [list.dnswl.org] 0.0 SPOOFED_FREEMAIL No description available. X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) Hi, get confused intern-soft=A0return a symbol which already unbound,=A0=0A= =0A= Here are the lines to make a symbol then makunbound the symbol, but after t= hat the intern-soft still return the symbol:=0A= =0A= (setq a-test-variable-unbound-later t)=0A= =0A= (intern-soft "a-test-variable-unbound-later")=0A= =0A= (makunbound 'a-test-variable-unbound-later)=0A= =0A= (boundp 'a-test-variable-unbound-later)=0A= =0A= (intern-soft "a-test-variable-unbound-later") ;; why not nil?=0A= =0A= It's a feature or a bug? 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