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Hi folks,

I left Emacs idle overnight, and I found a crash log when I returned in
the morning. Please see the attached file.

I'm using the IGC branch, and it looks like a related assertion failed.

I have igc-step-interval set to 0.05, but no other configuration related =
to GC.

I don=E2=80=99t know how to reproduce the error.

Thanks!


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-------------------------------------
Translated Report (Full Report Below)
-------------------------------------

Process:               Emacs [14928]
Path:                  /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/Emacs
Identifier:            org.gnu.Emacs
Version:               Version 31.0.50 (9.0)
Code Type:             ARM-64 (Native)
Parent Process:        launchd [1]
User ID:               501

Date/Time:             2025-07-26 17:52:38.4144 -0500
OS Version:            macOS 15.6 (24G84)
Report Version:        12
Anonymous UUID:        B51F9955-77E2-1BAC-67C3-F3461C1EA4D3

Sleep/Wake UUID:       89D38B6A-0664-45CC-8048-D09FF4D81A61

Time Awake Since Boot: 280000 seconds
Time Since Wake:       1799 seconds

System Integrity Protection: enabled

Crashed Thread:        1

Exception Type:        EXC_CRASH (SIGABRT)
Exception Codes:       0x0000000000000000, 0x0000000000000000

Termination Reason:    Namespace SIGNAL, Code 6 Abort trap: 6
Terminating Process:   Emacs [14928]

Thread 0::  Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
0   Emacs                         	       0x100863214 =
redisplay_internal + 208
1   Emacs                         	       0x10086930c =
redisplay_preserve_echo_area + 132
2   Emacs                         	       0x100914d5c =
detect_input_pending_run_timers + 144
3   Emacs                         	       0x1009f4520 =
wait_reading_process_output + 4488
4   Emacs                         	       0x100912bb4 read_char + =
7444
5   Emacs                         	       0x10090ee14 =
read_key_sequence + 1328
6   Emacs                         	       0x10090d2c8 =
command_loop_1 + 864
7   Emacs                         	       0x100992c14 =
internal_condition_case + 228
8   Emacs                         	       0x10090cf54 =
command_loop_2 + 52
9   Emacs                         	       0x100992218 =
internal_catch + 224
10  Emacs                         	       0x100aecd94 =
command_loop.cold.1 + 88
11  Emacs                         	       0x10090c784 command_loop =
+ 156
12  Emacs                         	       0x10090c618 =
recursive_edit_1 + 188
13  Emacs                         	       0x10090c91c =
Frecursive_edit + 384
14  Emacs                         	       0x10090b73c main + 8644
15  dyld                          	       0x183686b98 start + 6076

Thread 1 Crashed:
0   libsystem_kernel.dylib        	       0x1839ee388 =
__pthread_kill + 8
1   libsystem_pthread.dylib       	       0x183a2788c pthread_kill =
+ 296
2   libsystem_c.dylib             	       0x1838f8d04 raise + 32
3   Emacs                         	       0x100aec8d4 =
terminate_due_to_signal + 120
4   Emacs                         	       0x100aed748 emacs_abort + =
20
5   Emacs                         	       0x100a4a2a0 =
ns_term_shutdown + 132
6   Emacs                         	       0x10090951c =
shut_down_emacs + 360
7   Emacs                         	       0x100aec938 =
terminate_due_to_signal + 220
8   Emacs                         	       0x100a1d150 =
igc_assert_fail + 76
9   Emacs                         	       0x100ae1b50 =
mps_lib_assert_fail + 32 (mpsliban.c:87) [inlined]
10  Emacs                         	       0x100ae1b50 =
traceScanSegRes + 532 (trace.c:1229)
11  Emacs                         	       0x100aa30e4 traceScanSeg =
+ 40 (trace.c:1267)
12  Emacs                         	       0x100aa2f64 =
TraceSegAccess + 328 (trace.c:1320)
13  Emacs                         	       0x100aa84f8 =
SegWholeAccess + 336 (seg.c:1262)
14  Emacs                         	       0x100a96d44 ArenaAccess + =
564 (global.c:671)
15  Emacs                         	       0x100ae9300 protCatchOne =
+ 192 (protxc.c:242) [inlined]
16  Emacs                         	       0x100ae9300 =
protCatchThread + 304 (protxc.c:284)
17  libsystem_pthread.dylib       	       0x183a27c0c =
_pthread_start + 136
18  libsystem_pthread.dylib       	       0x183a22b80 thread_start =
+ 8

Thread 2:
0   libsystem_kernel.dylib        	       0x1839ebe90 __pselect + 8
1   libsystem_kernel.dylib        	       0x1839ebd68 =
pselect$DARWIN_EXTSN + 64
2   Emacs                         	       0x100a4b38c -[EmacsApp =
fd_handler:] + 248
3   Foundation                    	       0x1850daba8 =
__NSThread__start__ + 732
4   libsystem_pthread.dylib       	       0x183a27c0c =
_pthread_start + 136
5   libsystem_pthread.dylib       	       0x183a22b80 thread_start =
+ 8

Thread 3:: com.apple.NSEventThread
0   libsystem_kernel.dylib        	       0x1839e5c34 =
mach_msg2_trap + 8
1   libsystem_kernel.dylib        	       0x1839f83a0 =
mach_msg2_internal + 76
2   libsystem_kernel.dylib        	       0x1839ee764 =
mach_msg_overwrite + 484
3   libsystem_kernel.dylib        	       0x1839e5fa8 mach_msg + 24
4   CoreFoundation                	       0x183b12cbc =
__CFRunLoopServiceMachPort + 160
5   CoreFoundation                	       0x183b115d8 =
__CFRunLoopRun + 1208
6   CoreFoundation                	       0x183b10a98 =
CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 572
7   AppKit                        	       0x187b5978c =
_NSEventThread + 140
8   libsystem_pthread.dylib       	       0x183a27c0c =
_pthread_start + 136
9   libsystem_pthread.dylib       	       0x183a22b80 thread_start =
+ 8

Thread 4:
0   libsystem_pthread.dylib       	       0x183a22b6c =
start_wqthread + 0

Thread 5:
0   libsystem_pthread.dylib       	       0x183a22b6c =
start_wqthread + 0


Thread 1 crashed with ARM Thread State (64-bit):
    x0: 0x0000000000000000   x1: 0x0000000000000000   x2: =
0x0000000000000000   x3: 0x00006000006aeae0
    x4: 0x00006000006aeac0   x5: 0x0000000000000000   x6: =
0x0000000000002ac0   x7: 0x0000000000000030
    x8: 0xe1b8e8013cf1070c   x9: 0xe1b8e8005394370c  x10: =
0x0000000000000001  x11: 0x00000001f19de060
   x12: 0x0000000000000003  x13: 0x0000600001237f80  x14: =
0x01000001f19db4e1  x15: 0x00000001f19db4e0
   x16: 0x0000000000000148  x17: 0x00000001f2a11558  x18: =
0x0000000000000000  x19: 0x0000000000000006
   x20: 0x0000000000001903  x21: 0x000000016f6530e0  x22: =
0x1fd3fffedfffff00  x23: 0x0000000000000001
   x24: 0x0000000000000001  x25: 0x000000005195ca45  x26: =
0x0000000100bc93d0  x27: 0x0000000100bc9000
   x28: 0x0000000100bc93d0   fp: 0x000000016f651170   lr: =
0x0000000183a2788c
    sp: 0x000000016f651150   pc: 0x00000001839ee388 cpsr: 0x40001000
   far: 0x0000000000000000  esr: 0x56000080  Address size fault

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"Sean Devlin" <spd@HIDDEN> writes:

> Hi folks,
>
> I left Emacs idle overnight, and I found a crash log when I returned in
> the morning. Please see the attached file.
>
> I'm using the IGC branch, and it looks like a related assertion failed.
>
> I have igc-step-interval set to 0.05, but no other configuration related =
to GC.
>
> I don=E2=80=99t know how to reproduce the error.
>
> Thanks!

Thanks for the report. I'm afraid we don't have very much to go on: this
assertion in trace.c in MPS failed:

    AVER(RefSetSub(ScanStateUnfixedSummary(ss), SegSummary(seg))); /* <desi=
gn/check/#.common> */

I think that means a memory structure internal to MPS must have been
corrupted; either the ScanState on the stack, or the segment
information.

A core dump might help us figure out more, but I don't think there is
one, right?

Pip





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> On Jul 29, 2025, at 1:18=E2=80=AFPM, Pip Cet <pipcet@HIDDEN> =
wrote:
>=20
> "Sean Devlin" <spd@HIDDEN <mailto:spd@HIDDEN>> writes:
>=20
>> Hi folks,
>>=20
>> I left Emacs idle overnight, and I found a crash log when I returned =
in
>> the morning. Please see the attached file.
>>=20
>> I'm using the IGC branch, and it looks like a related assertion =
failed.
>>=20
>> I have igc-step-interval set to 0.05, but no other configuration =
related to GC.
>>=20
>> I don=E2=80=99t know how to reproduce the error.
>>=20
>> Thanks!
>=20
> Thanks for the report. I'm afraid we don't have very much to go on: =
this
> assertion in trace.c in MPS failed:
>=20
>    AVER(RefSetSub(ScanStateUnfixedSummary(ss), SegSummary(seg))); /* =
<design/check/#.common> */
>=20
> I think that means a memory structure internal to MPS must have been
> corrupted; either the ScanState on the stack, or the segment
> information.
>=20
> A core dump might help us figure out more, but I don't think there is
> one, right?
>=20
> Pip

Right, I don=E2=80=99t think there is a core dump. I can look into how =
to record one in
the future, but I don=E2=80=99t know how to reproduce this issue.

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related assertion failed.<br><br>I have igc-step-interval set to 0.05, =
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12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; =
display: inline !important;">Thanks for the report. I'm afraid we don't =
have very much to go on: this</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;"><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline =
!important;">assertion in trace.c in MPS failed:</span><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><span =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; =
display: inline =
!important;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;AVER(RefSetSub(ScanStateUnfixedSummary(ss),=
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style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><span =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; =
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text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; =
display: inline !important;">I think that means a memory structure =
internal to MPS must have been</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
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font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline =
!important;">corrupted; either the ScanState on the stack, or the =
segment</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;"><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; =
font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; float: none; display: inline !important;">information.</span><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><span =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; =
display: inline !important;">A core dump might help us figure out more, =
but I don't think there is</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;"><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">one, =
right?</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;"><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; =
font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;"><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; =
font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; float: none; display: inline =
!important;">Pip</span></div></blockquote></div><br><div>Right, I =
don=E2=80=99t think there is a core dump. I can look into how to record =
one in</div><div>the future, but I don=E2=80=99t know how to reproduce =
this issue.</div><div><br></div><div>Sean</div></body></html>=

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On Tue, Jul 29 2025, Pip Cet via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" wrote:

> Thanks for the report. I'm afraid we don't have very much to go on: this
> assertion in trace.c in MPS failed:
>
>     AVER(RefSetSub(ScanStateUnfixedSummary(ss), SegSummary(seg))); /* <design/check/#.common> */

This may or may not be relevant: the GC literature defines a weak and a
strong tricolor invariant.  I wonder if this code checks those
invariants.

In fix_frame, we do something that may not be kosher: we trace the glyph
pool.  We can access the glyph pool because it lives outside the GC heap
and has no memory barriers (and the world is stopped).  However, MPS may
assume that we scan such regions as roots because there are no memory
barriers on them to enforce the tricolor invariants.  I don't understand
the invariants well enough to tell if what we do is harmless or not.
Perhaps someone who does could think this through.

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> From: Sean Devlin <spd@HIDDEN>
> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2025 13:31:08 -0500
> 
> I left Emacs idle overnight, and I found a crash log when I returned in
> the morning. Please see the attached file.
> 
> I'm using the IGC branch, and it looks like a related assertion failed.
> 
> I have igc-step-interval set to 0.05, but no other configuration related to GC.
> 
> I don’t know how to reproduce the error.

Can you tell what code could your Emacs be running while idle?  Like,
timers etc.?

> Thread 0::  Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
> 0   Emacs                         	       0x100863214 redisplay_internal + 208
> 1   Emacs                         	       0x10086930c redisplay_preserve_echo_area + 132
> 2   Emacs                         	       0x100914d5c detect_input_pending_run_timers + 144
> 3   Emacs                         	       0x1009f4520 wait_reading_process_output + 4488
> 4   Emacs                         	       0x100912bb4 read_char + 7444
> 5   Emacs                         	       0x10090ee14 read_key_sequence + 1328
> 6   Emacs                         	       0x10090d2c8 command_loop_1 + 864
> 7   Emacs                         	       0x100992c14 internal_condition_case + 228
> 8   Emacs                         	       0x10090cf54 command_loop_2 + 52
> 9   Emacs                         	       0x100992218 internal_catch + 224
> 10  Emacs                         	       0x100aecd94 command_loop.cold.1 + 88
> 11  Emacs                         	       0x10090c784 command_loop + 156
> 12  Emacs                         	       0x10090c618 recursive_edit_1 + 188
> 13  Emacs                         	       0x10090c91c Frecursive_edit + 384
> 14  Emacs                         	       0x10090b73c main + 8644
> 15  dyld                          	       0x183686b98 start + 6076
> 
> Thread 1 Crashed:
> 0   libsystem_kernel.dylib        	       0x1839ee388 __pthread_kill + 8
> 1   libsystem_pthread.dylib       	       0x183a2788c pthread_kill + 296
> 2   libsystem_c.dylib             	       0x1838f8d04 raise + 32
> 3   Emacs                         	       0x100aec8d4 terminate_due_to_signal + 120
> 4   Emacs                         	       0x100aed748 emacs_abort + 20
> 5   Emacs                         	       0x100a4a2a0 ns_term_shutdown + 132
> 6   Emacs                         	       0x10090951c shut_down_emacs + 360
> 7   Emacs                         	       0x100aec938 terminate_due_to_signal + 220
> 8   Emacs                         	       0x100a1d150 igc_assert_fail + 76
> 9   Emacs                         	       0x100ae1b50 mps_lib_assert_fail + 32 (mpsliban.c:87) [inlined]
> 10  Emacs                         	       0x100ae1b50 traceScanSegRes + 532 (trace.c:1229)
> 11  Emacs                         	       0x100aa30e4 traceScanSeg + 40 (trace.c:1267)
> 12  Emacs                         	       0x100aa2f64 TraceSegAccess + 328 (trace.c:1320)
> 13  Emacs                         	       0x100aa84f8 SegWholeAccess + 336 (seg.c:1262)
> 14  Emacs                         	       0x100a96d44 ArenaAccess + 564 (global.c:671)
> 15  Emacs                         	       0x100ae9300 protCatchOne + 192 (protxc.c:242) [inlined]
> 16  Emacs                         	       0x100ae9300 protCatchThread + 304 (protxc.c:284)
> 17  libsystem_pthread.dylib       	       0x183a27c0c _pthread_start + 136
> 18  libsystem_pthread.dylib       	       0x183a22b80 thread_start + 8

This indicates that thread 1 was the thread which got hit by SIGABRT.
Thread 1 is NOT the main thread, which runs Lisp and redisplay.  So
what is thread 1, and how come it calls MPS functions?




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> Cc: 79116 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2025 18:18:05 +0000
> From:  Pip Cet via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs,
>  the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>
> 
> "Sean Devlin" <spd@HIDDEN> writes:
> 
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > I left Emacs idle overnight, and I found a crash log when I returned in
> > the morning. Please see the attached file.
> >
> > I'm using the IGC branch, and it looks like a related assertion failed.
> >
> > I have igc-step-interval set to 0.05, but no other configuration related to GC.
> >
> > I don’t know how to reproduce the error.
> >
> > Thanks!
> 
> Thanks for the report. I'm afraid we don't have very much to go on: this
> assertion in trace.c in MPS failed:
> 
>     AVER(RefSetSub(ScanStateUnfixedSummary(ss), SegSummary(seg))); /* <design/check/#.common> */
> 
> I think that means a memory structure internal to MPS must have been
> corrupted; either the ScanState on the stack, or the segment
> information.

Do you understand how come a non-main thread called MPS in this case?




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> Cc: Sean Devlin <spd@HIDDEN>, 79116 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> From: Helmut Eller <eller.helmut@HIDDEN>
> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 05:43:48 +0200
> 
> On Tue, Jul 29 2025, Pip Cet via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" wrote:
> 
> > Thanks for the report. I'm afraid we don't have very much to go on: this
> > assertion in trace.c in MPS failed:
> >
> >     AVER(RefSetSub(ScanStateUnfixedSummary(ss), SegSummary(seg))); /* <design/check/#.common> */
> 
> This may or may not be relevant: the GC literature defines a weak and a
> strong tricolor invariant.  I wonder if this code checks those
> invariants.
> 
> In fix_frame, we do something that may not be kosher: we trace the glyph
> pool.  We can access the glyph pool because it lives outside the GC heap
> and has no memory barriers (and the world is stopped).  However, MPS may
> assume that we scan such regions as roots because there are no memory
> barriers on them to enforce the tricolor invariants.  I don't understand
> the invariants well enough to tell if what we do is harmless or not.
> Perhaps someone who does could think this through.

You seem to be talking about the data structures manipulated by the
display engine, but the thread which got hit with SIGABRT was not the
main thread (which indeed was in redisplay), it's some other thread.
And I wonder how come that other thread called MPS.




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"Eli Zaretskii" <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:

>> Cc: 79116 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2025 18:18:05 +0000
>> From:  Pip Cet via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs,
>>  the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>
>>
>> "Sean Devlin" <spd@HIDDEN> writes:
>>
>> > Hi folks,
>> >
>> > I left Emacs idle overnight, and I found a crash log when I returned i=
n
>> > the morning. Please see the attached file.
>> >
>> > I'm using the IGC branch, and it looks like a related assertion failed=
.
>> >
>> > I have igc-step-interval set to 0.05, but no other configuration relat=
ed to GC.
>> >
>> > I don=E2=80=99t know how to reproduce the error.
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>>
>> Thanks for the report. I'm afraid we don't have very much to go on: this
>> assertion in trace.c in MPS failed:
>>
>>     AVER(RefSetSub(ScanStateUnfixedSummary(ss), SegSummary(seg))); /* <d=
esign/check/#.common> */
>>
>> I think that means a memory structure internal to MPS must have been
>> corrupted; either the ScanState on the stack, or the segment
>> information.
>
> Do you understand how come a non-main thread called MPS in this case?

Yes, MPS uses a separate thread to handle Mach exceptions on macOS,
rather than a signal handler. Most likely, the main thread accessed
memory behind a memory barrier and was suspended while the protection
thread attempted to lift the barrier, but that ran into an assertion
violation and aborted instead.

Pip





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> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 12:30:31 +0000
> From: Pip Cet <pipcet@HIDDEN>
> Cc: spd@HIDDEN, 79116 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> "Eli Zaretskii" <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
> 
> >> Cc: 79116 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> >> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2025 18:18:05 +0000
> >> From:  Pip Cet via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs,
> >>  the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>
> >>
> >> "Sean Devlin" <spd@HIDDEN> writes:
> >>
> >> > Hi folks,
> >> >
> >> > I left Emacs idle overnight, and I found a crash log when I returned in
> >> > the morning. Please see the attached file.
> >> >
> >> > I'm using the IGC branch, and it looks like a related assertion failed.
> >> >
> >> > I have igc-step-interval set to 0.05, but no other configuration related to GC.
> >> >
> >> > I don’t know how to reproduce the error.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks!
> >>
> >> Thanks for the report. I'm afraid we don't have very much to go on: this
> >> assertion in trace.c in MPS failed:
> >>
> >>     AVER(RefSetSub(ScanStateUnfixedSummary(ss), SegSummary(seg))); /* <design/check/#.common> */
> >>
> >> I think that means a memory structure internal to MPS must have been
> >> corrupted; either the ScanState on the stack, or the segment
> >> information.
> >
> > Do you understand how come a non-main thread called MPS in this case?
> 
> Yes, MPS uses a separate thread to handle Mach exceptions on macOS,
> rather than a signal handler.

Are we sure this is that separate thread?  What are the indications of
that?




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"Helmut Eller" <eller.helmut@HIDDEN> writes:

> On Tue, Jul 29 2025, Pip Cet via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss ar=
my knife of text editors" wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the report. I'm afraid we don't have very much to go on: this
>> assertion in trace.c in MPS failed:
>>
>>     AVER(RefSetSub(ScanStateUnfixedSummary(ss), SegSummary(seg))); /* <d=
esign/check/#.common> */
>
> This may or may not be relevant: the GC literature defines a weak and a
> strong tricolor invariant.  I wonder if this code checks those
> invariants.
>
> In fix_frame, we do something that may not be kosher: we trace the glyph
> pool.  We can access the glyph pool because it lives outside the GC heap
> and has no memory barriers (and the world is stopped).  However, MPS may
> assume that we scan such regions as roots because there are no memory
> barriers on them to enforce the tricolor invariants.  I don't understand
> the invariants well enough to tell if what we do is harmless or not.
> Perhaps someone who does could think this through.

Good catch!

I think you're absolutely correct. What we do there definitely isn't
correct: if one of the frame's pools is behind a read barrier, there's a
tiny race condition, but a write barrier would effectively be ignored,
which might well cause problems like this one.

But we should fix it even if it didn't cause this particular crash.
igc_xpalloc_ambig shouldn't be hard to do, but it's probably better for
performance to turn glyph pools into their own IGC object type.

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"Eli Zaretskii" <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:

>> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 12:30:31 +0000
>> From: Pip Cet <pipcet@HIDDEN>
>> Cc: spd@HIDDEN, 79116 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>>
>> "Eli Zaretskii" <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
>>
>> >> Cc: 79116 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>> >> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2025 18:18:05 +0000
>> >> From:  Pip Cet via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs,
>> >>  the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>
>> >>
>> >> "Sean Devlin" <spd@HIDDEN> writes:
>> >>
>> >> > Hi folks,
>> >> >
>> >> > I left Emacs idle overnight, and I found a crash log when I returne=
d in
>> >> > the morning. Please see the attached file.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm using the IGC branch, and it looks like a related assertion fai=
led.
>> >> >
>> >> > I have igc-step-interval set to 0.05, but no other configuration re=
lated to GC.
>> >> >
>> >> > I don=E2=80=99t know how to reproduce the error.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks!
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for the report. I'm afraid we don't have very much to go on: t=
his
>> >> assertion in trace.c in MPS failed:
>> >>
>> >>     AVER(RefSetSub(ScanStateUnfixedSummary(ss), SegSummary(seg))); /*=
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>> >>
>> >> I think that means a memory structure internal to MPS must have been
>> >> corrupted; either the ScanState on the stack, or the segment
>> >> information.
>> >
>> > Do you understand how come a non-main thread called MPS in this case?
>>
>> Yes, MPS uses a separate thread to handle Mach exceptions on macOS,
>> rather than a signal handler.
>
> Are we sure this is that separate thread?

Yes, we are.

> What are the indications of that?

The backtrace clearly indicates that thread 1 is the one running code
from protxc.c, and it is thread 1 which crashed.

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On Wed, Jul 30 2025, Eli Zaretskii wrote:

> You seem to be talking about the data structures manipulated by the
> display engine, but the thread which got hit with SIGABRT was not the
> main thread (which indeed was in redisplay), it's some other thread.
> And I wonder how come that other thread called MPS.

I think that's the usual way how page faults are handled on MacOS:

  1. the main thread hits a memory barrier (in this case in redisplay)

  2. the Mach kernel stops the main thread and sends an message to
     process' exception port

  3. there is a dedicated thread that reads the message from the
     exception port.  It's this thread that calls into MPS and
     copies/scans objects as needed.  In this case that triggered the
     assertion.

I'm not sure when or how the main thread is resumed. Gerd would
certainly know.

Helmut




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Hi Eli,

> On Jul 30, 2025, at 6:24=E2=80=AFAM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> =
wrote:
>=20
>> From: Sean Devlin <spd@HIDDEN>
>> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2025 13:31:08 -0500
>>=20
>> I left Emacs idle overnight, and I found a crash log when I returned =
in
>> the morning. Please see the attached file.
>>=20
>> I'm using the IGC branch, and it looks like a related assertion =
failed.
>>=20
>> I have igc-step-interval set to 0.05, but no other configuration =
related to GC.
>>=20
>> I don=E2=80=99t know how to reproduce the error.
>=20
> Can you tell what code could your Emacs be running while idle?  Like,
> timers etc.?

Here are the timers I have running:

               5.0s         5.0s auto-revert-buffers
            2m 0.6s           5m savehist-autosave
          22m 14.7s           1h org-persist--refresh-gc-lock
   *           0.1s            t show-paren-function
   *           0.5s            t which-func-update
   *           0.5s            t jit-lock-context--update
   *           0.5s      :repeat blink-cursor-start
   *     4h 0m 0.0s       repeat ef-themes-load-random

The last one might be relevant, since I added it within the last week. =
Basically, it is choosing a new theme after Emacs has been idle for four =
hours. This entails disabling the currently enabled theme and then =
enabling a new one.

>=20
>> Thread 0::  Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
>> 0   Emacs                         	       0x100863214 =
redisplay_internal + 208
>> 1   Emacs                         	       0x10086930c =
redisplay_preserve_echo_area + 132
>> 2   Emacs                         	       0x100914d5c =
detect_input_pending_run_timers + 144
>> 3   Emacs                         	       0x1009f4520 =
wait_reading_process_output + 4488
>> 4   Emacs                         	       0x100912bb4 read_char + =
7444
>> 5   Emacs                         	       0x10090ee14 =
read_key_sequence + 1328
>> 6   Emacs                         	       0x10090d2c8 =
command_loop_1 + 864
>> 7   Emacs                         	       0x100992c14 =
internal_condition_case + 228
>> 8   Emacs                         	       0x10090cf54 =
command_loop_2 + 52
>> 9   Emacs                         	       0x100992218 =
internal_catch + 224
>> 10  Emacs                         	       0x100aecd94 =
command_loop.cold.1 + 88
>> 11  Emacs                         	       0x10090c784 command_loop =
+ 156
>> 12  Emacs                         	       0x10090c618 =
recursive_edit_1 + 188
>> 13  Emacs                         	       0x10090c91c =
Frecursive_edit + 384
>> 14  Emacs                         	       0x10090b73c main + 8644
>> 15  dyld                          	       0x183686b98 start + 6076
>>=20
>> Thread 1 Crashed:
>> 0   libsystem_kernel.dylib        	       0x1839ee388 =
__pthread_kill + 8
>> 1   libsystem_pthread.dylib       	       0x183a2788c pthread_kill =
+ 296
>> 2   libsystem_c.dylib             	       0x1838f8d04 raise + 32
>> 3   Emacs                         	       0x100aec8d4 =
terminate_due_to_signal + 120
>> 4   Emacs                         	       0x100aed748 emacs_abort + =
20
>> 5   Emacs                         	       0x100a4a2a0 =
ns_term_shutdown + 132
>> 6   Emacs                         	       0x10090951c =
shut_down_emacs + 360
>> 7   Emacs                         	       0x100aec938 =
terminate_due_to_signal + 220
>> 8   Emacs                         	       0x100a1d150 =
igc_assert_fail + 76
>> 9   Emacs                         	       0x100ae1b50 =
mps_lib_assert_fail + 32 (mpsliban.c:87) [inlined]
>> 10  Emacs                         	       0x100ae1b50 =
traceScanSegRes + 532 (trace.c:1229)
>> 11  Emacs                         	       0x100aa30e4 traceScanSeg =
+ 40 (trace.c:1267)
>> 12  Emacs                         	       0x100aa2f64 =
TraceSegAccess + 328 (trace.c:1320)
>> 13  Emacs                         	       0x100aa84f8 =
SegWholeAccess + 336 (seg.c:1262)
>> 14  Emacs                         	       0x100a96d44 ArenaAccess + =
564 (global.c:671)
>> 15  Emacs                         	       0x100ae9300 protCatchOne =
+ 192 (protxc.c:242) [inlined]
>> 16  Emacs                         	       0x100ae9300 =
protCatchThread + 304 (protxc.c:284)
>> 17  libsystem_pthread.dylib       	       0x183a27c0c =
_pthread_start + 136
>> 18  libsystem_pthread.dylib       	       0x183a22b80 thread_start =
+ 8
>=20
> This indicates that thread 1 was the thread which got hit by SIGABRT.
> Thread 1 is NOT the main thread, which runs Lisp and redisplay.  So
> what is thread 1, and how come it calls MPS functions?





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Helmut Eller <eller.helmut@HIDDEN> writes:

> On Wed, Jul 30 2025, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>
>> You seem to be talking about the data structures manipulated by the
>> display engine, but the thread which got hit with SIGABRT was not the
>> main thread (which indeed was in redisplay), it's some other thread.
>> And I wonder how come that other thread called MPS.
>
> I think that's the usual way how page faults are handled on MacOS:
>
>   1. the main thread hits a memory barrier (in this case in redisplay)
>
>   2. the Mach kernel stops the main thread and sends an message to
>      process' exception port
>
>   3. there is a dedicated thread that reads the message from the
>      exception port.  It's this thread that calls into MPS and
>      copies/scans objects as needed.  In this case that triggered the
>      assertion.
>
> I'm not sure when or how the main thread is resumed. Gerd would
> certainly know.

I'm not reading emacs-bugs normally, feel free to CC me, if there is
something I can help with.)

The barrier on macOS is a Match port. A port is a message queue olus a
thread handling messages. When a barrier is the oS stops the thread
hitting the barrier, and send the exception handler a message. The
thread of the exception does its MPS things, and tells the OS to resume
the thread having the problem.

BTW, glyph pools are only used for tty frames. Don't know if that plays
a role here.




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On Thu, Jul 31 2025, Gerd M=C3=B6llmann wrote:

> BTW, glyph pools are only used for tty frames. Don't know if that plays
> a role here.

I didn't know that.  And the glyph matrix, is that a tty-only thing too?

Anyway, my concern is a bit more general: I think that objects without
memory barriers, (e.g. structs allocated with malloc) should be scanned
as roots.

E.g. in fix_frame there is code that uses FRAME_FONT and to get the
address of some field in a device dependent struct.  This struct is not
protected by a memory barrier; I think these kind of structs should be
roots.

In the MPS paper, section "Phase 4: Black Mutator Tracing", they say
that gray and white segments are read protected.  I assume that also
means that, at his point, there are no write barriers.  If the mutator
can read a pointer to a white object from a struct without read barriers
and put the white pointer in a black object, then we have a problem.
That's why I think that structs without memory barriers should be roots.

There might be special circumstances where code like in fix_frame is
sufficient.  E.g. if for some reason all paths to the font field go
though the read-protected frame.  But I think those special conditions
are hard to think about and it would be simpler to just make the thing a
root.

Helmut




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Helmut Eller <eller.helmut@HIDDEN> writes:

> On Thu, Jul 31 2025, Gerd M=C3=B6llmann wrote:
>
>> BTW, glyph pools are only used for tty frames. Don't know if that=20
>> a role here.
>
> I didn't know that.  And the glyph matrix, is that a tty-only thing
> too?

No, every window has a glyph matrix. On ttys, window glyph matrices are
sub-allocated from a frame matrix, and all matrices are allocated from
glyph pools. On GUIs there are neither frame matrices nor glyph pools,
and windows manage the matrix memory themselves.

See dispnew.c, allocate_matrices_for_window_redisplay, and
allocate_matrices_for_frame_redisplay.

> Anyway, my concern is a bit more general: I think that objects without
> memory barriers, (e.g. structs allocated with malloc) should be scanned
> as roots.
>
> E.g. in fix_frame there is code that uses FRAME_FONT and to get the
> address of some field in a device dependent struct.  This struct is not
> protected by a memory barrier; I think these kind of structs should be
> roots.
>
> In the MPS paper, section "Phase 4: Black Mutator Tracing", they say
> that gray and white segments are read protected.  I assume that also
> means that, at his point, there are no write barriers.  If the mutator
> can read a pointer to a white object from a struct without read barriers
> and put the white pointer in a black object, then we have a problem.
> That's why I think that structs without memory barriers should be roots.
>
> There might be special circumstances where code like in fix_frame is
> sufficient.  E.g. if for some reason all paths to the font field go
> though the read-protected frame.  But I think those special conditions
> are hard to think about and it would be simpler to just make the thing a
> root.

Hm, could be. And what you say makes sense to me, as a potential
problem. I've never studied the MPS implementation in depth, so I don't
know if they take this into account, and have something for this case.

The only thing I remember from the docs is that one is allowed, while
scanning, in our case in the fix functions, to access non-MPS memory. I
don't think the docs say that one may not scan such non-MPS memory. But
I could be wrong of course, or it's something missing in the docs.

Hm, don't know what's best to do. At least it can't be the reason for
the current case, right?

OTOH, making the pools roots is also not a catastrophe either. BTW, The
frame in struct glyph is only used on ttys, it's something for child
frames on ttys. That's why I scan only the pools, from which all
matrices are sub-allocated.=20




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> From: Helmut Eller <eller.helmut@HIDDEN>
> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>,  spd@HIDDEN,
>   pipcet@HIDDEN,  79116 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2025 18:46:49 +0200
> 
> Anyway, my concern is a bit more general: I think that objects without
> memory barriers, (e.g. structs allocated with malloc) should be scanned
> as roots.

This is very general, and in that general form quite scary.  Emacs
allocates with malloc all over the place, and most such allocations
have nothing to do with Lisp objects.  So I hope we can have rules
that determine whether a given malloc'ed object needs to be scanned or
not, because otherwise we'll force MPS to scan too much, and lose the
single most important advantage it gives us: that its GC cycles are
fast and don't stop the application code for prolonged periods of
time.




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On Thu, Jul 31 2025, Gerd M=C3=B6llmann wrote:

> Hm, don't know what's best to do. At least it can't be the reason for
> the current case, right?

The assertion was:

    AVER(RefSetSub(ScanStateUnfixedSummary(ss), SegSummary(seg))); /* <desi=
gn/check/#.common> */

It looks like MPS found a reference to a zone/generation that it was not
expecting to find.  If something is able to by-pass memory barriers it
could create such unexpected references.  Of course, I'm just
speculating.  I don't even know how Pip figured out that this particular
assertion failed.

I would not change anything without a reproducible test case.  Could be
tricky to create the problematic situation: the access must happen after
the flip and not go through read-protected objects.

Helmut





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