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Hello Emacs Maintainers, global-whitespace-mode does not enable=20
whitespace-mode in remember-notes-buffer-name buffer. This=20
happens because whitespace-enable-predicate prevents=20
whitespace-mode from activating in buffers whose names start with=20
=E2=80=98*=E2=80=99, with only *scratch* being an
exception. While it makes sense for buffers like *Messages* or
*Ibuffer*, it unintentionally affects remember-notes-buffer-name
buffers, which should likely be treated similarly to *scratch*.
Steps to reproduce:
emacs -Q
M-x global-whitespace-mode
M-x remember-notes
C-h v whitespace-mode
Value of whitespace-mode is nil, indicating whitespace-mode is not
enabled in the remember-notes-buffer-name buffer
Thank you for your time!
* * *
In GNU Emacs 30.1 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.43,
cairo version 1.18.2)
System Description: Guix System
Configured using:
'configure
CONFIG_SHELL=3D/gnu/store/m0xdsa8cfq6mq1kxgxmpmpg71la4f0b9-bash-minimal-5.=
1.16/bin/bash
SHELL=3D/gnu/store/m0xdsa8cfq6mq1kxgxmpmpg71la4f0b9-bash-minimal-5.1.16/bi=
n/bash --prefix=3D/gnu/store/416vvmsc3n33wsliga55ljzmcvhyry54-emacs-pgtk-30=
.1 --enable-fast-install --with-pgtk --with-cairo --with-modules --with-nat=
ive-compilation=3Daot --disable-build-details'
--
Regards,
Anush Veeranala
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> From: Anush V <j@HIDDEN>
> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2025 02:36:48 -0400
>
>
> Hello Emacs Maintainers, global-whitespace-mode does not enable
> whitespace-mode in remember-notes-buffer-name buffer. This
> happens because whitespace-enable-predicate prevents
> whitespace-mode from activating in buffers whose names start with
> ‘*’, with only *scratch* being an
> exception. While it makes sense for buffers like *Messages* or
> *Ibuffer*, it unintentionally affects remember-notes-buffer-name
> buffers, which should likely be treated similarly to *scratch*.
>
> Steps to reproduce:
>
> emacs -Q
>
> M-x global-whitespace-mode
> M-x remember-notes
> C-h v whitespace-mode
>
> Value of whitespace-mode is nil, indicating whitespace-mode is not
> enabled in the remember-notes-buffer-name buffer
Patches to add a user option that allows to make exceptions for more
than just *scratch* will be welcome.
Thanks.
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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
>> M-x global-whitespace-mode
>> M-x remember-notes
>> C-h v whitespace-mode
>>
>> Value of whitespace-mode is nil, indicating whitespace-mode is not
>> enabled in the remember-notes-buffer-name buffer
>
> Patches to add a user option that allows to make exceptions for more
> than just *scratch* will be welcome.
Is this convention about different behavior in special buffers used more
than just in whitespace-mode?
--
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> From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN>
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> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
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> >> M-x global-whitespace-mode
> >> M-x remember-notes
> >> C-h v whitespace-mode
> >>
> >> Value of whitespace-mode is nil, indicating whitespace-mode is not
> >> enabled in the remember-notes-buffer-name buffer
> >
> > Patches to add a user option that allows to make exceptions for more
> > than just *scratch* will be welcome.
>
> Is this convention about different behavior in special buffers used more
> than just in whitespace-mode?
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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
>> >> Value of whitespace-mode is nil, indicating whitespace-mode is not
>> >> enabled in the remember-notes-buffer-name buffer
>> >
>> > Patches to add a user option that allows to make exceptions for more
>> > than just *scratch* will be welcome.
>>
>> Is this convention about different behavior in special buffers used more
>> than just in whitespace-mode?
>
> I think so. Why do you ask?
I want to check if similar fixes are necessary elsewhere.
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> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
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> >> >> Value of whitespace-mode is nil, indicating whitespace-mode is not
> >> >> enabled in the remember-notes-buffer-name buffer
> >> >
> >> > Patches to add a user option that allows to make exceptions for more
> >> > than just *scratch* will be welcome.
> >>
> >> Is this convention about different behavior in special buffers used more
> >> than just in whitespace-mode?
> >
> > I think so. Why do you ask?
>
> I want to check if similar fixes are necessary elsewhere.
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>> >> Is this convention about different behavior in special buffers used more
>> >> than just in whitespace-mode?
>> >
>> > I think so. Why do you ask?
>>
>> I want to check if similar fixes are necessary elsewhere.
>
> Which part(s) of that strike you as unusual enough to need to ask?
I just do not know which other parts of Emacs treat special buffers
(*buffer name*) differently.
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> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
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> >> >> Is this convention about different behavior in special buffers used more
> >> >> than just in whitespace-mode?
> >> >
> >> > I think so. Why do you ask?
> >>
> >> I want to check if similar fixes are necessary elsewhere.
> >
> > Which part(s) of that strike you as unusual enough to need to ask?
>
> I just do not know which other parts of Emacs treat special buffers
> (*buffer name*) differently.
special-display-buffer-names comes to mind.
And it doesn't have to be the _name_ of a buffer, it could be some
other attribute, like the major-mode.
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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
>> I just do not know which other parts of Emacs treat special buffers
>> (*buffer name*) differently.
>
> special-display-buffer-names comes to mind.
>
> And it doesn't have to be the _name_ of a buffer, it could be some
> other attribute, like the major-mode.
I think we are talking past each other. I do not mean customizations
altering Emacs behavior for buffers with specific name. I mean instances
like in whitespace-mode with
;; ...the buffer is not special (name starts with *)
(or (not (eq (aref (buffer-name) 0) ?*))
...)
Is there any other place in Emacs where buffers starting with "*..." are
unconditionally treated differently from normal buffers?
(I know that special treatment is very common for buffers with name
starting with space, but I am not aware about "*...")
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> From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN>
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> Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2025 17:20:45 +0000
>
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
>
> >> I just do not know which other parts of Emacs treat special buffers
> >> (*buffer name*) differently.
> >
> > special-display-buffer-names comes to mind.
> >
> > And it doesn't have to be the _name_ of a buffer, it could be some
> > other attribute, like the major-mode.
>
> I think we are talking past each other. I do not mean customizations
> altering Emacs behavior for buffers with specific name. I mean instances
> like in whitespace-mode with
>
> ;; ...the buffer is not special (name starts with *)
> (or (not (eq (aref (buffer-name) 0) ?*))
> ...)
>
> Is there any other place in Emacs where buffers starting with "*..." are
> unconditionally treated differently from normal buffers?
Yes, for example we do some special things in buffers whose names
begin with a space.
Btw, I didn't say that the patches I will welcome are not
customizations, so I'm not sure what exactly in my message triggered
this.
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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
>> Is there any other place in Emacs where buffers starting with "*..." are
>> unconditionally treated differently from normal buffers?
>
> Yes, for example we do some special things in buffers whose names
> begin with a space.
That one I know. What about names that begin with "*"?
> Btw, I didn't say that the patches I will welcome are not
> customizations, so I'm not sure what exactly in my message triggered
> this.
If there is new customization specific to whitespace-mode, Org mode will
have to add dedicated code to handle whitespace-mode in order to solve
this bug report fully. But what if *Org Src ...* buffers are also
handled unexpectedly elsewhere in Emacs? Then Org mode will need to add
more and more special handling. So, I thought that it may be a good idea
to find all the potential problematic scenarios. Maybe I can do
something more universal than just fixing whitespace-mode; then some
other mode, and so on.
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> From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN>
> Cc: j@HIDDEN, 79230 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
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>
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
>
> >> Is there any other place in Emacs where buffers starting with "*..." are
> >> unconditionally treated differently from normal buffers?
> >
> > Yes, for example we do some special things in buffers whose names
> > begin with a space.
>
> That one I know. What about names that begin with "*"?
What about them?
(I _really_ don't understand why are you asking these questions.)
> > Btw, I didn't say that the patches I will welcome are not
> > customizations, so I'm not sure what exactly in my message triggered
> > this.
>
> If there is new customization specific to whitespace-mode, Org mode will
> have to add dedicated code to handle whitespace-mode in order to solve
> this bug report fully. But what if *Org Src ...* buffers are also
> handled unexpectedly elsewhere in Emacs? Then Org mode will need to add
> more and more special handling. So, I thought that it may be a good idea
> to find all the potential problematic scenarios. Maybe I can do
> something more universal than just fixing whitespace-mode; then some
> other mode, and so on.
Sorry, you lost me. Starting where you say that "Org mode will have
to add dedicated code to handle whitespace-mode in order to solve this
bug report fully".
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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
>> > Yes, for example we do some special things in buffers whose names
>> > begin with a space.
>>
>> That one I know. What about names that begin with "*"?
>
> What about them?
>
> (I _really_ don't understand why are you asking these questions.)
This bug report is about global-whitespace-mode unconditionally ignoring
all the buffers named like *...* and *notes* buffer created by
remember.el in particular. The same problem also happens with Org mode
and its code editing buffers named *Org Src [<lang name>]*.
My question is simple: is it only whitespace-mode that is doing
something special with *...* buffers or are there any others? If there
are, similar bugs will likely occur there.
> Sorry, you lost me. Starting where you say that "Org mode will have
> to add dedicated code to handle whitespace-mode in order to solve this
> bug report fully".
I hope that the above makes things more clear.
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> From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN>
> Cc: j@HIDDEN, 79230 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2025 08:38:20 +0000
>
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
>
> >> > Yes, for example we do some special things in buffers whose names
> >> > begin with a space.
> >>
> >> That one I know. What about names that begin with "*"?
> >
> > What about them?
> >
> > (I _really_ don't understand why are you asking these questions.)
>
> This bug report is about global-whitespace-mode unconditionally ignoring
> all the buffers named like *...* and *notes* buffer created by
> remember.el in particular. The same problem also happens with Org mode
> and its code editing buffers named *Org Src [<lang name>]*.
>
> My question is simple: is it only whitespace-mode that is doing
> something special with *...* buffers or are there any others? If there
> are, similar bugs will likely occur there.
I don't know. But it doesn't sound something that cannot be expected
from other modes, given what we do with temporary buffers.
But IME it is futile in Emacs to do something about bugs that were
never reported.
> > Sorry, you lost me. Starting where you say that "Org mode will have
> > to add dedicated code to handle whitespace-mode in order to solve this
> > bug report fully".
>
> I hope that the above makes things more clear.
Yes, the Org connection was missing.
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