GNU bug report logs - #5206
OPTION key combinations using international keyboards in the NEXTSTEP versions of Emacs don't work

Please note: This is a static page, with minimal formatting, updated once a day.
Click here to see this page with the latest information and nicer formatting.
Package: emacs,ns; Reported by: Anders Bolt-Evensen <a-bolt <at> online.no>; dated Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:25:04 UTC; Maintainer for emacs is bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org.
bug reassigned from package 'emacs' to 'emacs,ns'. Request was from Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org> to control <at> emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com. Full text available.

Message received at 5206 <at> emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com:


Received: (at 5206) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 14 Dec 2009 08:02:29 +0000
From jan.h.d <at> swipnet.se Mon Dec 14 00:02:29 2009
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02
	(2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available.
	hammytokens:Tokens not available.
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER
	autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02
Received: from proxy2.bredband.net (proxy2.bredband.net [195.54.101.72])
	by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id nBE82RAX010778
	for <5206 <at> emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:02:29 -0800
Received: from ipb2.telenor.se (195.54.127.165) by proxy2.bredband.net (7.3.140.3)
        id 4AD3E1BC01B0AEE6 for 5206 <at> emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 09:02:22 +0100
X-SMTPAUTH-B2: 
X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true
X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgRlAIt/JUtV4S1uPGdsb2JhbACBSocgj32CSQEBAQE3uT+EKwQ
X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,394,1257116400"; 
   d="scan'208";a="15395042"
Received: from c-6e2de155.25-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO coolsville.localdomain) ([85.225.45.110])
  by ipb2.telenor.se with ESMTP; 14 Dec 2009 09:02:21 +0100
Received: from [172.20.199.13] (zeplin [172.20.199.13])
	by coolsville.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1D6D97FA07B;
	Mon, 14 Dec 2009 09:02:21 +0100 (CET)
Message-ID: <4B25F10C.4080706 <at> swipnet.se>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 09:02:20 +0100
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan_Dj=E4rv?= <jan.h.d <at> swipnet.se>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; sv-SE; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091204 Thunderbird/3.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Anders Bolt-Evensen <a-bolt <at> online.no>, 5206 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
CC: bug-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#5206: OPTION key combinations using international keyboards
 in	the NEXTSTEP versions of Emacs don't work
References: <88AF87D3-853F-44C6-9737-E654DD4C54F1 <at> online.no>
In-Reply-To: <88AF87D3-853F-44C6-9737-E654DD4C54F1 <at> online.no>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit



Anders Bolt-Evensen skrev 2009-12-13 11.18:
> Hey!
>
> I've been working on Emacs for some time now, and recently I started using the Mac OS X user interface instead of the X windowing system.
> But there is one problem: I'm using a Norwegian keyboard, and to use characters like |, [, ], {, } and a few other characters I need to use either the OPTION or SHIFT+OPTION keys. In the NEXTSTEP version of Emacs the OPTION key is defined as the meta key.
>
> OPTION+7 = |
> OPTION+8 = [
> OPTION+9 = ]
> SHIFT+OPTION+7 = \
> SHIFT+OPTION+8 = {
> SHIFT+OPTION+9 = }
>
> When I press the OPTION+7 keys, the vertical bar should appear as seen in the list above, but insted nothing happens until I press an other key, in this case I used the A key, and "aaaaaaa" appears. When I press the SHIFT+OPTION+7 keys, the word "system" appears. This problem only applies to the NEXTSTEP version - the terminal and X window versions work as they should.
>

The defaults used for Emacs is really bad, it makes Emacs almost unusable for 
any text input if you have a non-english keyboard.

Here is what I do as a workaround:

M-x customize-group <return> ns <return>

Scroll down a bit and you see
NS Command Modifier: [Value Menu] super
...
NS Alternate modifier: [Value Menu] meta

If you change those so that command is meta and alternate modifier is No 
modifier you can then use Alt as ususal (i.e. Alt 7 gives | as normal) and use 
the Command-key as meta.

I don't understand why there is a default mapping from Command-key to super. 
Super is very little used and many binding seems to be duplicates of other 
bindings.

	Jan D.
Acknowledgement sent to Jan Djärv <jan.h.d <at> swipnet.se>:
Extra info received and forwarded to list. Copy sent to Emacs Bugs <bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org>. Full text available.
Information forwarded to bug-submit-list <at> lists.donarmstrong.com, Emacs Bugs <bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org>:
bug#5206; Package emacs. Full text available.

Message received at submit <at> emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com:


Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 14 Dec 2009 08:02:37 +0000
From jan.h.d <at> swipnet.se Mon Dec 14 00:02:37 2009
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02
	(2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available.
	hammytokens:Tokens not available.
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER
	autolearn=unavailable version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02
Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165])
	by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id nBE82Y4v010784
	for <submit <at> emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:02:35 -0800
Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43)
	id 1NK5t4-0005Wl-6E
	for bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 03:02:34 -0500
Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43)
	id 1NK5sy-0005Vp-Vk
	for bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 03:02:33 -0500
Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=36163 helo=monty-python.gnu.org)
	by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43)
	id 1NK5sy-0005VZ-Ok
	for bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 03:02:28 -0500
Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:50225)
	by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60)
	(envelope-from <jan.h.d <at> swipnet.se>)
	id 1NK5sy-0005DP-7R
	for bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 03:02:28 -0500
Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:52314 helo=mx10.gnu.org)
	by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69)
	(envelope-from <jan.h.d <at> swipnet.se>)
	id 1NK5sx-00005F-Uv
	for bug-emacs <at> gnu.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 03:02:28 -0500
Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60)
	(envelope-from <jan.h.d <at> swipnet.se>)
	id 1NK5sw-0005D9-53
	for bug-emacs <at> gnu.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 03:02:27 -0500
Received: from proxy3.bredband.net ([195.54.101.73]:60595)
	by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60)
	(envelope-from <jan.h.d <at> swipnet.se>)
	id 1NK5sv-0005Cn-O2
	for bug-emacs <at> gnu.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 03:02:26 -0500
Received: from ipb2.telenor.se (195.54.127.165) by proxy3.bredband.net (7.3.140.3)
        id 4AD3E1BA019F4915 for bug-emacs <at> gnu.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 09:02:22 +0100
X-SMTPAUTH-B2: 
X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true
X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgRlAIt/JUtV4S1uPGdsb2JhbACBSocgj32CSQEBAQE3uT+EKwQ
X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,394,1257116400"; 
   d="scan'208";a="15395042"
Received: from c-6e2de155.25-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO coolsville.localdomain) ([85.225.45.110])
  by ipb2.telenor.se with ESMTP; 14 Dec 2009 09:02:21 +0100
Received: from [172.20.199.13] (zeplin [172.20.199.13])
	by coolsville.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1D6D97FA07B;
	Mon, 14 Dec 2009 09:02:21 +0100 (CET)
Message-ID: <4B25F10C.4080706 <at> swipnet.se>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 09:02:20 +0100
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan_Dj=E4rv?= <jan.h.d <at> swipnet.se>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; sv-SE; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091204 Thunderbird/3.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Anders Bolt-Evensen <a-bolt <at> online.no>, 5206 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
CC: bug-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#5206: OPTION key combinations using international keyboards
 in	the NEXTSTEP versions of Emacs don't work
References: <88AF87D3-853F-44C6-9737-E654DD4C54F1 <at> online.no>
In-Reply-To: <88AF87D3-853F-44C6-9737-E654DD4C54F1 <at> online.no>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized.
X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3)



Anders Bolt-Evensen skrev 2009-12-13 11.18:
> Hey!
>
> I've been working on Emacs for some time now, and recently I started using the Mac OS X user interface instead of the X windowing system.
> But there is one problem: I'm using a Norwegian keyboard, and to use characters like |, [, ], {, } and a few other characters I need to use either the OPTION or SHIFT+OPTION keys. In the NEXTSTEP version of Emacs the OPTION key is defined as the meta key.
>
> OPTION+7 = |
> OPTION+8 = [
> OPTION+9 = ]
> SHIFT+OPTION+7 = \
> SHIFT+OPTION+8 = {
> SHIFT+OPTION+9 = }
>
> When I press the OPTION+7 keys, the vertical bar should appear as seen in the list above, but insted nothing happens until I press an other key, in this case I used the A key, and "aaaaaaa" appears. When I press the SHIFT+OPTION+7 keys, the word "system" appears. This problem only applies to the NEXTSTEP version - the terminal and X window versions work as they should.
>

The defaults used for Emacs is really bad, it makes Emacs almost unusable for 
any text input if you have a non-english keyboard.

Here is what I do as a workaround:

M-x customize-group <return> ns <return>

Scroll down a bit and you see
NS Command Modifier: [Value Menu] super
...
NS Alternate modifier: [Value Menu] meta

If you change those so that command is meta and alternate modifier is No 
modifier you can then use Alt as ususal (i.e. Alt 7 gives | as normal) and use 
the Command-key as meta.

I don't understand why there is a default mapping from Command-key to super. 
Super is very little used and many binding seems to be duplicates of other 
bindings.

	Jan D.
Acknowledgement sent to Jan Djärv <jan.h.d <at> swipnet.se>:
Extra info received and forwarded to list. Copy sent to Emacs Bugs <bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org>. Full text available.
Information forwarded to bug-submit-list <at> lists.donarmstrong.com, Emacs Bugs <bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org>:
bug#5206; Package emacs. Full text available.

Message received at submit <at> emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com:


Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 13 Dec 2009 10:18:57 +0000
From a-bolt <at> online.no Sun Dec 13 02:18:57 2009
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02
	(2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available.
	hammytokens:Tokens not available.
X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=4.0 tests=none autolearn=ham
	version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02
Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165])
	by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id nBDAItKH003738
	for <submit <at> emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 02:18:57 -0800
Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43)
	id 1NJlXT-0002Ie-2L
	for bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 05:18:55 -0500
Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43)
	id 1NJlXN-0002GB-FG
	for bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 05:18:53 -0500
Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=42678 helo=monty-python.gnu.org)
	by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43)
	id 1NJlXN-0002Fi-2Z
	for bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 05:18:49 -0500
Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:41880)
	by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60)
	(envelope-from <a-bolt <at> online.no>)
	id 1NJlXM-0005Qb-Nh
	for bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 05:18:48 -0500
Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:43934 helo=mx10.gnu.org)
	by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69)
	(envelope-from <a-bolt <at> online.no>)
	id 1NJlXM-0002UD-LU
	for bug-emacs <at> gnu.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 05:18:48 -0500
Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60)
	(envelope-from <a-bolt <at> online.no>)
	id 1NJlXK-0005QR-Ou
	for bug-emacs <at> gnu.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 05:18:47 -0500
Received: from mail49.e.nsc.no ([193.213.115.49]:33418)
	by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60)
	(envelope-from <a-bolt <at> online.no>)
	id 1NJlXK-0005Q5-8h
	for bug-emacs <at> gnu.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 05:18:46 -0500
Received: from a-bolt.lan (ti0025a380-dhcp1412.bb.online.no [83.108.153.135])
	by mail49.nsc.no (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nBDAIckw008863
	for <bug-emacs <at> gnu.org>; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:18:39 +0100 (MET)
From: Anders Bolt-Evensen <a-bolt <at> online.no>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Subject: OPTION key combinations using international keyboards in the NEXTSTEP versions of Emacs don't work
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:18:38 +0100
Message-Id: <88AF87D3-853F-44C6-9737-E654DD4C54F1 <at> online.no>
To: bug-emacs <at> gnu.org
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077)
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077)
X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta)
X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3)

Hey!

I've been working on Emacs for some time now, and recently I started =
using the Mac OS X user interface instead of the X windowing system.
But there is one problem: I'm using a Norwegian keyboard, and to use =
characters like |, [, ], {, } and a few other characters I need to use =
either the OPTION or SHIFT+OPTION keys. In the NEXTSTEP version of Emacs =
the OPTION key is defined as the meta key.

OPTION+7 =3D |
OPTION+8 =3D [
OPTION+9 =3D ]
SHIFT+OPTION+7 =3D \
SHIFT+OPTION+8 =3D {
SHIFT+OPTION+9 =3D }

When I press the OPTION+7 keys, the vertical bar should appear as seen =
in the list above, but insted nothing happens until I press an other =
key, in this case I used the A key, and "aaaaaaa" appears. When I press =
the SHIFT+OPTION+7 keys, the word "system" appears. This problem only =
applies to the NEXTSTEP version - the terminal and X window versions =
work as they should.

Best regards,=20
Anders=
Acknowledgement sent to Anders Bolt-Evensen <a-bolt <at> online.no>:
New bug report received and forwarded. Copy sent to Emacs Bugs <bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org>. Full text available.
Report forwarded to bug-submit-list <at> lists.donarmstrong.com, Emacs Bugs <bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org>:
bug#5206; Package emacs. Full text available.
Please note: This is a static page, with minimal formatting, updated once a day.
Click here to see this page with the latest information and nicer formatting.
Last modified: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 19:45:02 UTC

GNU bug tracking system
Copyright (C) 1999 Darren O. Benham, 1997 nCipher Corporation Ltd, 1994-97 Ian Jackson.