Alan Third <alan@HIDDEN>
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Hi There,
I am using the sml-mode/REPL from inside Emacs. When I try to get the =
"~" character (normally Right Alt-n on my Swiss-French keyboard) I get =
what looks to be the first command of the history buffer instead.
When I use the REPL from inside a terminal I don't have this problem, =
the "~" is available as usual, as here.
My config :
MacOS 10.12.=20
French language
Swiss-french keyboard
sml/nj from http://www.smlnj.org/dist/working/110.80/ =
<http://www.smlnj.org/dist/working/110.80/>.
Standard sml-mode, from Stefan Monnier
Stefan gave me a work-around allowing me to get this character when I =
need it. But this may be a bug so I contact you directly. So did I.
Thanks in advance for your help.
Thierry
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html =
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">Hi There,</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I am using the sml-mode/REPL from =
inside Emacs. When I try to get the "~" character (normally Right Alt-n =
on my Swiss-French keyboard) I get what looks to be the first command of =
the history buffer instead.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div=
class=3D"">When I use the REPL from inside a terminal I don't have this =
problem, the "~" is available as usual, as here.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">My config :</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">MacOS 10.12. </div><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">French language</div><div =
class=3D"">Swiss-french keyboard</div></div><div class=3D"">sml/nj =
from <a href=3D"http://www.smlnj.org/dist/working/110.80/" =
target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener nofollow" =
class=3D"">http://www.smlnj.org/dist/working/110.80/</a>.</div><div =
class=3D"">Standard sml-mode, from Stefan Monnier</div><div class=3D""><br=
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Stefan gave me a work-around allowing =
me to get this character when I need it. But this may be a bug so I =
contact you directly. So did I.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Thanks in advance for your =
help.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Thierry</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">In GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin13.4.0, NS =
apple-appkit-1265.21)</div><div class=3D""> of 2015-04-10 on <a =
href=3D"http://builder10-9.porkrind.org" =
class=3D"">builder10-9.porkrind.org</a></div><div class=3D"">Windowing =
system distributor `Apple', version 10.3.1504</div><div =
class=3D"">Configured using:</div><div class=3D""> `configure =
--with-ns '--enable-locallisppath=3D/Library/Application</div><div =
class=3D""> Support/Emacs/${version}/site-lisp:/Library/Application</=
div><div class=3D""> Support/Emacs/site-lisp''</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Important =
settings:</div><div class=3D""> locale-coding-system: =
utf-8-unix</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Major=
mode: Inferior-SML</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Minor modes in effect:</div><div class=3D""> =
compilation-minor-mode: t</div><div class=3D""> tooltip-mode: =
t</div><div class=3D""> electric-indent-mode: t</div><div =
class=3D""> mouse-wheel-mode: t</div><div class=3D""> =
tool-bar-mode: t</div><div class=3D""> menu-bar-mode: t</div><div =
class=3D""> file-name-shadow-mode: t</div><div class=3D""> =
global-font-lock-mode: t</div><div class=3D""> font-lock-mode: =
t</div><div class=3D""> blink-cursor-mode: t</div><div =
class=3D""> auto-composition-mode: t</div><div class=3D""> =
auto-encryption-mode: t</div><div class=3D""> =
auto-compression-mode: t</div><div class=3D""> line-number-mode: =
t</div><div class=3D""> transient-mark-mode: t</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Recent =
messages:</div><div class=3D"">For information about GNU Emacs and the =
GNU system, type C-h C-a.</div><div class=3D"">user-error: End of =
history; no default available</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Load-path shadows:</div><div =
class=3D"">None found.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Features:</div><div class=3D"">(shadow sort gnus-util =
mail-extr emacsbug message format-spec rfc822 mml</div><div =
class=3D"">mml-sec mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 =
mailabbrev</div><div class=3D"">gmm-utils mailheader sendmail rfc2047 =
rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util</div><div class=3D"">help-fns mail-prsvr =
mail-utils sml-mode compile comint ansi-color ring</div><div =
class=3D"">easymenu smie browse-url package epg-config time-date tooltip =
electric</div><div class=3D"">uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks =
lisp-float-type mwheel ns-win tool-bar dnd</div><div class=3D"">fontset =
image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list newcomment lisp-mode</div><div =
class=3D"">prog-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select =
scroll-bar</div><div class=3D"">mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu =
font-core frame cham georgian</div><div class=3D"">utf-8-lang misc-lang =
vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean</div><div class=3D"">japanese =
hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian</div><div =
class=3D"">cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help =
simple abbrev</div><div class=3D"">minibuffer nadvice loaddefs button =
faces cus-face macroexp files</div><div class=3D"">text-properties =
overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule</div><div =
class=3D"">custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote =
make-network-process</div><div class=3D"">cocoa ns multi-tty =
emacs)</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Memory =
information:</div><div class=3D"">((conses 16 87441 4028)</div><div =
class=3D""> (symbols 48 18593 0)</div><div class=3D""> (miscs =
40 102 163)</div><div class=3D""> (strings 32 14810 3387)</div><div =
class=3D""> (string-bytes 1 404283)</div><div =
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class=3D""> (vector-slots 8 390642 3931)</div><div =
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56 314 4)</div><div class=3D""> (buffers 960 15))</div><div =
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