Received: (at 28902) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Oct 2017 08:47:19 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 20 04:47:19 2017 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51085 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1e5Sxb-00030t-G9 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 04:47:19 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:57246) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1e5SxZ-00030e-SX for 28902 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 04:47:18 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1e5SxQ-0002sk-NT for 28902 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 04:47:12 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:48970) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1e5SxQ-0002sg-Jj; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 04:47:08 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2184 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1e5SxP-00036w-UO; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 04:47:08 -0400 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 11:46:59 +0300 Message-Id: <83sheecikc.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Alexis <flexibeast@HIDDEN> In-reply-to: <878tg6b5g4.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Alexis on Fri, 20 Oct 2017 19:15:39 +1100) Subject: Re: bug#28902: 25.3; M-x report-emacs-bug requires smtp References: <CAN7nBXcnMfj9pznDZ6xEgn30kvK-WZg+PA3+YEiqVHpoMRDjZg@HIDDEN> <878tg6b5g4.fsf@HIDDEN> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28902 Cc: fahree@HIDDEN, 28902 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Alexis <flexibeast@HIDDEN> > Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 19:15:39 +1100 > Cc: 28902 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > i might be missing something, but do people think they can't just > copy > and paste the report text into a new email, and send it to the > address > specified in the report buffer's To: field, > i.e. bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN? I believe the improvement someone said they will be working on was to copy the text into the system clipboard and tell the user to paste it from their into their favorite email client. See https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=28154#5.
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[124.189.167.250]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z73sm788271pgz.46.2017.10.20.01.15.43 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Fri, 20 Oct 2017 01:15:44 -0700 (PDT) References: <CAN7nBXcnMfj9pznDZ6xEgn30kvK-WZg+PA3+YEiqVHpoMRDjZg@HIDDEN> User-agent: mu4e 0.9.19; emacs 25.2.1 From: Alexis <flexibeast@HIDDEN> To: =?utf-8?Q?Far=C3=A9?= <fahree@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#28902: 25.3; M-x report-emacs-bug requires smtp In-reply-to: <CAN7nBXcnMfj9pznDZ6xEgn30kvK-WZg+PA3+YEiqVHpoMRDjZg@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 19:15:39 +1100 Message-ID: <878tg6b5g4.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28902 Cc: 28902 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) Faré <fahree@HIDDEN> writes: > M-x report-emacs-bug tries to send mail from the localhost, but > these > days, due to spam issues, SMTP is not quite as available as it > was say > twenty years ago. Most localhost do not have a mail server; most > ISPs > do not offer SMTP and further block SMTP ports; most servers on > the > internet will not relay mail without authentication; to setup > your own > server requires possessing a domain and a stable server, > altering DNS > records and mastering technologies such as DKIM, DMARC, SPF, > etc., > that did not exist back in the days when M-x report-emacs-bug > was > originally written. True. On the other hand, those are not the only possibilities; a number of people, such as myself, use a dedicated email service provider, and have set up SMTP clients such as `msmtp' to send email via that provider's SMTP servers. > To remain usable, M-x report-emacs-bug should at the very least > document how one may send the mail via some webmail instead i might be missing something, but do people think they can't just copy and paste the report text into a new email, and send it to the address specified in the report buffer's To: field, i.e. bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN? > or offer to configure emacs (or the underlying system) to offer > some > interface that will bridge the SMTP gap somehow. The problem is that there are just so many different ways of setting up email - not only across operating systems, but also within a given OS/distro. Even if one settled on, say, using msmtp (rather than, say, exim, postfix, esmtp, opensmtpd, sendmail etc.) as the underlying MTA, there's still the question of how to actually get that on the user's system if it's not already installed: * Via a package manager? If so, then the various package UIs (apt, yum, dnf, YaST, pacman, apk, etc.) need to be taken into consideration, as do the various locations that different OSes might put the various configuration files. Further, not all users will necessarily have the permissions to allow installing arbitrary packages. * Build it from source? Many users won't have the necessary build setup on their machine (or indeed, be able to install the necessary setup). * Bundle it with Emacs? Assuming the license allows that, that's going to create maintenance burdens in terms of tracking upstream's bug/security fixes, and e.g. having to release a new version of Emacs in order to get a security fix for the MTA onto users' machines. And then there are the security issues that come with having an configured MTA available on a machine; it's one thing if someone is making use of that MTA for various email needs, it's another if it's only being used by Emacs .... So it seems to me that designing an interface to covering all, or even many, of the possibilities would be an /enormous/ task. Alexis.
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