Paul Eggert <eggert@HIDDEN>
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Full text available.Received: (at 66582) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Oct 2023 03:29:39 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Oct 16 23:29:39 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58259 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1qsam2-0001LQ-Us for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2023 23:29:39 -0400 Received: from woodpecker.gentoo.org ([140.211.166.183]:60610 helo=smtp.gentoo.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <sam@HIDDEN>) id 1qsalx-0001L1-0A for 66582 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2023 23:29:37 -0400 References: <20231016174439.415263.FMU1197@HIDDEN> User-agent: mu4e 1.10.7; emacs 30.0.50 From: Sam James <sam@HIDDEN> To: Noah Friedman <noah@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#66582: annoying, needless warning messages from [fe]grep Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2023 04:28:30 +0100 Organization: Gentoo In-reply-to: <20231016174439.415263.FMU1197@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <874jiqj5ae.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 66582 Cc: bug-coreutils@HIDDEN, 66582 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Noah Friedman <noah@HIDDEN> writes: > Just because a program is considered deprecated or obsolete by a standards > committee, is no reason to actually force that program out of use or > availablity. And since when does GNU adhere strictly to POSIX anyway? grep is not from coreutils. As for the issue you discuss, it's being brought up on the grep mailing lists already (and I agree with the whole thing being silly).
bug-coreutils@HIDDEN:bug#66582; Package coreutils.
Full text available.Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Oct 2023 03:29:50 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Oct 16 23:29:50 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58262 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1qsamE-0001Ls-9x for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2023 23:29:50 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:470:142::17]:57034) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <sam@HIDDEN>) id 1qsamB-0001LZ-NY for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2023 23:29:49 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <sam@HIDDEN>) id 1qsald-0002nZ-RJ for bug-coreutils@HIDDEN; Mon, 16 Oct 2023 23:29:14 -0400 Received: from woodpecker.gentoo.org ([2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4] helo=smtp.gentoo.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_CHACHA20_POLY1305:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <sam@HIDDEN>) id 1qsalb-00043v-Lm for bug-coreutils@HIDDEN; Mon, 16 Oct 2023 23:29:13 -0400 References: <20231016174439.415263.FMU1197@HIDDEN> User-agent: mu4e 1.10.7; emacs 30.0.50 From: Sam James <sam@HIDDEN> To: Noah Friedman <noah@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#66582: annoying, needless warning messages from [fe]grep Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2023 04:28:30 +0100 Organization: Gentoo In-reply-to: <20231016174439.415263.FMU1197@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <874jiqj5ae.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4; envelope-from=sam@HIDDEN; helo=smtp.gentoo.org X-Spam_score_int: -41 X-Spam_score: -4.2 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.2 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: bug-coreutils@HIDDEN, 66582 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.3 (/) Noah Friedman <noah@HIDDEN> writes: > Just because a program is considered deprecated or obsolete by a standards > committee, is no reason to actually force that program out of use or > availablity. And since when does GNU adhere strictly to POSIX anyway? grep is not from coreutils. As for the issue you discuss, it's being brought up on the grep mailing lists already (and I agree with the whole thing being silly).
bug-coreutils@HIDDEN:bug#66582; Package coreutils.
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